DAVID BAILEY TELLS OF HIS DISILLUSIONMENT [phone call transcript Part Two]recording provided by Conny Larsson, SwedenDate: 11-22-06
From: Editors exbaba.comIn a phone call from around 2000, David Bailey - author of 'The Findings' tells Tomas Wiehe of Sweden of his experiences and the reasons for leaving Sai Baba. The recording has some background noise, but it is generally good:
TRANSCRIPT OF DAVID BAILEY'S ACCOUNT BY PHONE OF HIS DISAFFECTION IN 1999
with Thomas Wiehe, who is a Swedish ex-Sai devotee.
David Bailey: There is a video which Magnus has got which has been done a year ago that has just been broadcast two weeks ago on Irish television, done by a television company from Switzerland, Germany, Italy and Ireland, who have got together because they are so horrified with what's going on that they have produced this documentary for about nearly one hour - not being unkind but just to say these are the facts this is what you will find, and it has been very, very well put together and what is on that video I have firsthand experience of, and it is true. It's very sad, but we have to be serious detectives. Wanting the truth.
I think the first thing that made me question was when there was a question of Prince Charles going there and because I have played for the Royal family several times I know that what happened with the detectives that go - you know -to check everything out first. And Prince Charles had written to me about the possibility of going one day and I suddenly thought 'what questions will they ask me, what answers can I give them. And I suddenly realised that I was living in a dream world, not in the real world. That's when I started to want the real answers, like, what actually happens at the hospital. Not just 'Oh, this is a beautiful hospital. What happens! How many operations are done? What are the operations? Are all the wards open. The seven hundred and fifty villages... how many villages have now water? And not just 'isn't this a lovely project. Isn't it good and feel good for being involved. But what is the truth, and when you start finding the truth, you start thinking 'Oh! No! Oh! NO!'
Thomas Wiehe: What did you find about the hospital?
David Bailey: There is a ward that is still not open. They have not done any renal operations for a year. The money is questionable. With Isaac Tigrett, when the hospital was built, he gave $49 million. Well, only $34 million went to the hospital the rest were... well, it's just corrupt. Australian television do a programme on him last year and the hospital, they had found that they were selling organs etc. The hygiene of the hospital is disgusting. Now I know Sara Pavan who is the top anaethnetist from Australia who's there all the time, and he said to me 'David, you never, ever, ever let anybody come to this hospital because they do not understand hygiene. It is just so sad. We've had several instances where people have been refused entrance to the hospital who need attention. They say they do not have the money but this does not make sense because the money that I have seen being handed in at the office every day. The problem that we have is that the coordinators will say 'This did not happen' or 'this is an illusion, this is a test.' It is something that must be addressed.
I know that Steen Picullell - the coordinator for the Russian-speaking countries - he is going to speak to Indulal Shah and to Swami in about a week's time because he has had many problems, but still believes that Swami is God and God can do anything. But this is not something that is in the real world. Before I found Swami I had many,many experiences of people who could heal, people who were psychic, which could see the future and I have experiences of roses - the flowers - just appearing on the table in front of me. So these things were not something that were new to me. I accepted all of this and this is not something to base somebody's divinity on. So what do you base it on because over the centuries the stories have never been like this, and it is only because WE want it to be good we make it [an] excuse for why he does this. But this boy is one of hundreds that we know of. Not just one of ten or twenty.
Thomas Wiehe: Are you talking about T? [Editor's note: Initial correct, but name suppressed. This is the so-called "Golden Boy" from Gothenburg, who was laden with 'gold' by Sai baba and who caused the huge furore in Sweden about Sai baba's sexual abuses]
David Bailey: I don't know the boy's name, I've not been given it.
Thomas Wiehe: Aha. But it must be him.
David Bailey: Right.
Thomas Wiehe: "Yeah I was in Puttaparthi in January with him and now in June with him. He talked very openly. Ja... it's him you mean, Yes, he is a very sincere spiritual seeker and very easy to believe. Did you meet him?"
David Bailey: Well I may have..
Thomas Wiehe: He is, well... I mean, I trust him. Just as a human being. I trust him. Talked a lot and you know you get a feeling 'is he talking truth or is there something behind it?
David Bailey: Exactly.
Thomas Wiehe: I got the feeling he is very trustworthy. I really think so and he is... he has morality, sound, fine and subtle and strong. It took him - well, he probably told you - it took him some time to decide what to do with this... experiences. But when he had made his decision, he goes out in a very fine way, I think... talking to others and he is fine to talk with.
David Bailey: Yes.
Thomas Wiehe: It's really bad, I'd say.
David Bailey: Yes. This is very good because if this was somebody who is not balanced it makes the whole thing... where there is a question there. I can tell you I know many, many, many examples of this... the students, because I was so close to them, just turned to me for help - they PLEADED with me for help.
Thomas Wiehe: Did you teach in [the] Sai school?
David Bailey: Yes, I taught in the college in Prashanthi ah... for three, three-and-a-half years. Not all year, but for periods of six weeks three or four times a year.
Thomas Wiehe: In music?
David Bailey: In music. I prepared the music for Christmas, for Guru Purnima and sometimes the birthday so it meant being with the boys perhaps up to six or seven hours every day. And I've a very close relationship with them and with one or two members of staff to. I know EXACTLY what goes on there. When Faye and I discovered what we knew, we decided that we felt it was better to be silent because there are so many people there who rely on him and that's why we continued with the magazine - not to stop the magazine... but to continue it to give things for people to move on to. Not to change from one guru to another but to find the god within.
One of those responsible for vile defamations has been exposed by an independent witness who was originally favourable to the defamers, but subsequently realised the extent and depth of the fanatical obsession, deceit and dirty tricks that are being used against critics of Sai Baba